Monday, April 2, 2018

The Front End

Previously on MondoBlahBlah... or...

Read the entire story of the research, acquisition and assembly of my new Cycles Toussaint Velo Routier v2.

Hey, that looks kind of like a bike
So now the frame and fork I bought is assembled into a frame set. It's easy enough to hang some wheels on it, stem and handlebars, put on the brakes, jam the seat post into the frame and put a saddle on it. Now it's starting to look like a bike. This is the first time I'm able to actually straddle it and make sure it's going to fit. It looks like the fit is perfect - like a proper bike with a proper diamond frame. Not a compact "modern" bike with a meter of seat post and a "slammed" stem, but a beautifully proportioned bike with the handlebars right around the same height as the saddle. Visually graceful, with classic lines and elegant curves. Will it feel as great as it looks? We'll have to wait until the build is complete to find out, but I generally find that what looks right tends to be right. Time will tell.

The Cockpit

I haven't run the cables yet since I'm still waiting to see what my buddy Angus has in store for me after I nagged him about the inappropriateness of bar-top thumb shifters on a classic road bike. Also, before I complete the drive train, there are a few things up at the front of the bike that I want to work out, since they are central to the entire concept of the 650b Randonneur style bike and they are all interconnected; the front rack, the stem and bars and the front fender.

The Front Rack
No way around it - low trail rando-style bikes are supposed to have delightful handlebar bags sitting on little racks attached to the forks. That's practically the whole point. Cycles Toussaint doesn't include a front rack with the DIY build kit, which is just as well, since I'm not crazy about the rack they designed for this bike anyway. And besides, like just about everything else on these bikes, each rider is likely to have their own preference anyway. I know I do.
The Velo Orange Rando Rack
w/ integrated decaleur

When I set up my '86 Fuji, I installed a nifty little rack that Dia Compe designed to bolt onto its 610 Center-pull brakes. It is an ingenious design and in concert with a solid decaleur that stabilizes the load and distributes the bag's weight appropriately, it would probably work really well. Unfortunately I never quite got around to installing a decaleur, so the bag's weight tended to lean forward on the rack which ultimately caused the mounting tabs to snap. D'oh!

So for the Velo Routier I have decided to go with what seems to be the easiest solution to a solid, stable handlebar bag solution - Velo Orange's Randonneur Front Rack with Integrated Decaleur. The integrated decaleur means I don't have to figure out how to mount a separate decaleur on the bike. I don't have to worry about getting the height and depth right. I don't have to decide whether to use a stem mounted unit or a headset mounted unit. If the rack fits the bag and it fits the bike, I should be good to go. At least that's the idea...

Handlebars and Stem
Pre-fab cockpit from Cycles Toussaint
The Velo Routier DIY kit comes with a pre-assembled 100mm Kalloy stem mounted to a deep drop, round bend handlebar on which Dia Compe brake levers have already been attached. The stem was not going to work because of its proximity to the decaleur/bag. I thought from the beginning that I might want a shorter stem, just to make the riding position more upright, but I figured I'd try what came with the bike before switching. But after placing the front rack in place, I could see that the decaleur would be too close to the handlebars.

Nitto Young Stem / Olympiad Handlebar
Because I am short, the bike's headtube is kind of short, and the 8 inch tall Acorn Boxy Rando handlebar bag comes right up to the bar height or even a bit above it. With the long stem I think it would crowd my fingers. So I've swapped the stem and handlebars for the 70mm Nitto "Young" stem and classic Nitto B114 "Olympiad" handlebar which have about 10mm less drop than the Kalloy bars and about 50mm less total reach. Hopefully the shorter stem and reach of this setup won't be detrimental to the handling of the bike - did Angus and Evan choose the 100mm stem because it's the optimal size for this bike? - I doubt it, since all sizes of the frame come with the same length stem.

I was initially going to just swap out the 100mm Kalloy stem for the Fuji's shorter 70mm Nitto stem and keep the Kalloy handlebars but it turns out that contrary to the Cycles Toussaint website, the handlebars need a 26mm clamp, while the Nitto is a 25.4mm. Though annoying, it's understandable - most new handlebars are 26mm. So I ended up moving both the stem and bars. The fit is pretty good around the handlebar bag, but the bars are too narrow for me at 40cm. To get where I think I want to be, I may have to go with an entirely new setup with a new stem and bar, but for now I'm going to leave it with the Fuji setup and see if I can live with it.

Fenders
What, you might fairly ask, do handlebars have to do with fenders? Well, everything in the front seems to be interconnected in some way. The fenders are ideally attached to the rack which adds additional support for each. And the brakes have to have sufficient clearance to clear the rack strut. So the fender's connected to the rack strut, the rack strut's connected to the decaleur, the decaleur's aligned with the handlebar and stem and the brakes straddle the rack strut. None of this is all that hard, it's just that to get it all right means doing things in the right order and it requires me to have about four hands to hold everything in the right place while the final, essential bolt is tightened. But I've done this part before with the Fuji, so it was just a matter of putting aside a couple of hours to tweak the positions of everything. The key was getting the rack strut bent to the correct position so it wouldn't interfere with the brakes and would attach gracefully to the rack and fender using a single bolt. It's handy to have a bench vise for that bending, but you could do it with some solid pliers or even just leaning on it on the edge of a table.

Yep, starting to look like a bike.
You may notice that the front fender tab is mounted to the front of the crown's brake bolt. I had initially thought it would mount to the rear of side of the crown, but it somehow just didn't fit right that way. It was impossible to get a proper fender line when it was connected there. When I moved the tab to the front of the crown, everything lined right up. Not a huge deal, really, but as a result of that placement, the bottom of the fender lines up just above the axle of the crank set. I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess this arrangement will lead to some pretty damp tootsies on that first wet ride. I probably better just think in terms of getting some mud guards right away and I should probably get the long ones.

For those of you who have never installed a set of fenders like this before, here's a pretty good video explaining it. The only thing I will say is that I prefer a slightly more refined finish so I wouldn't use the bolt cutters - I would used a sharpie, hacksaw and file to get the fender struts to the right length and smooth them out so the aren't jagged and sharp. Of course having said that, I'm happy to report that the struts that came with the Cycles Toussaint DIY build kit didn't require cutting at all. I think if the rear dropout was vertical it could have been a bit crowded, but with the semi-horizontal dropout there's plenty of room for the slight excess length of the strut.

Brakes
Cool-Stop brake pads on Dia-Compe 750s
Astute readers may have noticed that I have swapped out the stock Dia Compe brake pads for some Kool-Stop brake shoes and dual compound pads. Hopefully that will add some grip to brakes that are routinely described as "mushy". If the Dia Compe 750s just can't do the job, I'll swap them out for a pair of 1974 Mafac Racers from a friend's old college bike. Jan Heine raves about the similar Mafac Raids as if they are the best brakes ever made. We'll see.

Alright, sure, so now I've got a bunch of components bolted to a bike frame. So what? Can I ride it? No. I still have to install the brake levers, the shifters, put a chain on it, run some cables and figure out how to adjust it all. Only then will it be a bike. I'm still waiting to see if my buddy Angus is really going to send me an alternative to the thumb shifters the bike shipped with, but I'm eager to get this baby on the road, so I may not be able to wait. It looks so much like a bike, it seems a shame to just have it sitting there on the stand in the garage. Spring is in the air and a young man's fancy turns to thoughts of asphalt! Come on man, let's get this show on the road.

So join us for our next exciting episode of Mondo Blah Blah when I install the drive train and hopefully complete the build.

10 comments:

  1. In light of your shifter troubles I probably shouldn't tell you that they sent me both indexed 10 speed thumbies and indexed 10 speed barcons. I have an embarrassment of riches. Assembly has been pretty straight forward. I ditched the stock bar/stem combo also, went with 100mm Nitto stem and B115. I learned a hard lesson a few years back about no name chinese bars after doing a face plant when the right side of the bar snapped off. I'll probably replace the stock brake pads with the Velo-Orange no squeal red pads. Those things are great. I can't get them to squeal even if I set them dead flat against the rim with no toe in. I'm having a devil of a time getting the rear brake arms to pull evenly but that's just par for centerpulls. Sometimes they take a lot of fiddling. Prolly cable up the derailleurs in the next day or so. Maybe she'll be ready for a maiden voyage. Anyway good luck with yours and thanks for the write up.

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  2. Okay, I'm going to take the credit for having bugged Cycles Toussaint about the shifters so that they automatically sent both sets to you! As for the bars/stem, yeah, I was never crazy about the ones supplied with the build kit, so I'm just as happy to swap them out with the Nitto setup. And yes, what is with those rear brake arms. I can't seem to get a solid connection to the posts to take out the play. I'm thinking I may need to add an extra set of washers or something.

    Anyway, thanks very much for the feedback. I'm looking forward to getting the Velo Routier finished and getting it on the road. Though it may take me longer than a few more days since I have some traveling to do over the next couple of weeks. Good luck with yours.

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  3. The Velo Routier build it yourself package is quite appealing to me but I still hesitate to push the button. I sent an email query to Cycles Toussaint back in February and have not received a reply which has caused some trepidation on my part. Your posts have answered most of the questions that were on my mind at the time but now my concern is mostly with shipping into the US from Canada. Did you encounter any logistical headaches which sometimes occur when buying from vendors outside of the country?

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    1. I'm glad my posts are helping answer your questions. I originally started posting about the bike as a sort of diary, but people who are considering the Velo Routier are finding them and I hope I can help others get answers to the questions I had as I went through the decision/buying/building process.

      As for Cycles Toussaint's communication, I've been pretty lucky there. I've exchanged several emails with Angus Cowan (angus@cyclestoussaint.com) and though it has sometimes taken him a few days, he has always gotten back to me.

      I didn't experience any headaches with the international shipping. I live in the Washington, DC area and it took just over a week to get here. It seemed like an eternity in the Amazon Prime era, but everything arrived in fairly good shape. Personally I wouldn't include the shipping as a major worry.

      Hope this helps. Feel free to ask me anything you're worried about - I may not know the answers, but I'm happy to share my experience.

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    2. Thanks for that. Another thought: you purchased a 51cm model so I'm assuming you're about my height, possibly a bit shorter. I'm 5'6" and usually ride a 53cm frame but I have ridden larger frames with no issues. With that in mind, and since 53cm is not offered, I'm leaning toward the 54cm. I'm curious as to the stand-over height of your frame with the supplied wheels and tires.

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    3. On the 51cm frame, with the included Pari Moto tires, the top top tube is exactly 30.75 inches from the floor. That's about 3/4 inch taller than my 52cm Trek.

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  4. Hi Louis- I thought I would give my .02 on buying a Velo Routier. From the time I placed my order until the time I received the bike was almost a month whereas Bartlebones says he got his in about a week. I'm not really criticising them for that. My guess is that they don't call for shipping until they have several bikes to send at once. For the price I think the quality of the bike is very good. There was one glaring exception on my bike. There was a large paint defect on the top tube, a spot about 6 inches long that looked like the clear coat gun had lingered in one spot too long and washed out the blue colour. I'm surprised that the bike left the factory that way. Most people would have sent it back immediately but I chose not to because of the long shipping delay and the fact that I was never in love with the blue anyway and will probably have it painted. You have to realise this isn't Trek or Cannondale corporation but rather a couple of guys running a business as a labour of love. I'm sure they're not getting rich at this. Besides, since Angus and I share the same last name he may be a long lost cousin and I wouldn't want to badmouth their company. Overall? It's a good bike with a fairly unique set of features, just don't expect a JP Weigle in a box for $1350.00.

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  5. Thanks, guys, for sharing the Velo Routier experience with me. It seems to have come down to two issues at this point.
    Should I order a 51cm or 54cm frame, and do I really need another bike to add to my existing fleet of nine.
    On a somewhat humorous note...if I DO decide to push the button...will they be sold out by the time I finally make up my mind. :-)

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  6. does your seat tube measure 21 inches i think they sent me the wrond size

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    1. Yes, my frame has a seat tube that is about 21 inches. It seems like that should be the size of the 53cm frame, but one of the numbers stamped into the bottom bracket shell ends with '-51' so I think it is Cycles Toussaint's "Small" or 51cm model. The Standover height of 770mm (30.3 inches) seems correct, though admittedly that's pretty darn tall for a bike that's supposed to have a 51cm top tube. It would probably be worth contacting the company and verifying that there is not a mistake.
      Of course, there may have been a mistake with the measurements at the manufacturer, though if there was, Cycles Toussaint should have at least updated the geometry on their website, which does seem to be inaccurate.
      Regardless of why, where or whether there was a mistake, if the bike doesn't fit you, it's a problem. You can fiddle with the seatpost, etc., but if it's too big it will be unrideable. Contact them and see what they have to say.

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