...or Ride Report - Cycles Toussaint VR 2 at 250 miles
Cycles Toussaint Vélo Routier V2. |
I passed the 250 mile mark on my new bike last weekend so I thought I'd provide an update on my experience with the Cycles Toussaint Vélo Routier version 2. Sad to say the ride ended in a car backing out of a blind driveway, smashing into me and ultimately leading to the arrival of no fewer than three ambulances, two police cars and the Managing Partner.
Not to worry - your devoted blogger is more or less fine. Yes, there's a deep gash in my right shin where it shattered the brake light's lens, along with some fairly impressive road rash on the pointy parts (that would be knees, elbows, hips and shoulders); and yes, the driver, a young woman piloting her mother's car on a brand new driver's license, got a ticket for it; and yes, the rear quarter panel of her car was pretty seriously scratched and dented where my somewhat less-than-svelte body plowed into it. But aside from a misaligned rear fender and some scraping of the shift levers, brake hoods and the rear skewer, the Vélo Routier seems to be just fine! I just bent the fender back into place, straightened up the brake hoods, and did a little delicate melting of the rubber on the hoods and levers with a lighter to get them back to smooth. Et voila! Back on the road.
Drive train
But does it have a sexy French handlebar bag? You bet it does. |
Handling
The handling still feels a bit odd to me, but I'm beginning to think it may be because the headset was too tight. After the crash I noticed some play in the head tube. I suspect it was already loose before the crash, but I hadn't noticed it. I can't imaging slamming into a car would unscrew the head set adjusting nut. It's a one inch threaded needle bearing headset, so I have been thinking it was supposed to be a bit stiff, but maybe Big Mig over at the local Bicycle Place just leaned on it a bit too hard when he installed it. In any case, after re-tightening the adjusting nut, I kept it a bit looser than it had been prior to the crash and that seems to have made the steering a bit more intuitive. I still feel that I have to pay more attention to keeping the bike in a straight line than on higher trail bikes, but I'm getting used to it. I'll keep fiddling with the headset and provide an update when I get over 500 miles.
Speed
As I've noted in a previous post, I am transitioning from racing bikes to this new (for me) type of bike. I think of it more as a traveling bike. Not a dedicated tourer, but useful enough to carry a day's supplies and comfortable enough to sit on for that whole day. I've been expecting to have to sacrifice speed, which isn't a real problem since birthdays have been having the same effect. I'm therefore a bit surprised that my riding buddies, who have been on my wheel for over a decade, are reporting that this bike has not made me any slower. I think they were hoping a heavier bike with wide tires would slow me down, and I certainly thought it would.
Though I know by the numbers that the bike definitely climbs more slowly and takes a bit longer to spin up to speed after stopping, the overall cumulative effect is not terribly significant. Speeds at distances stretching from 25 to 50 miles seem to be right in the same basic range they were on my carbon fiber racer. I guess it [speed] really isn't about the bike. To be fair, we are talking about recreational riding here, so this would not be true if I were "training" or racing. But for my day-to-day riding, moving to a slightly heavier steel bike has not cost me anything in terms of speed. I'll let you know how I feel after the next hilly century or multi-day sojourn.
A note on "planing"
I have always been a bit skeptical of Jan Heine's theory of planing. I don't deny that a bike can have such optimal flex characteristics that a rider's power input on the down stroke could be stored in the frame and returned to the bike's forward momentum like a watch spring. I'm sure it's possible. But I have a hard time believing that many bicycle manufacturers know how to predictably, intentionally craft such a bike. Or that such a bike would plane for every rider, under all sorts of different conditions. So I think saying "this bike planes" is kind of misleading. And I don't think Jan would disagree. Saying "this bike planes for me" might be more accurate or at least easier for me to accept. Until I see some very serious measurements, I'm going to remain skeptical.Still, even if planing is not an empirical, measurable fact, there are times when a bike and rider can feel synchronized, when riding can feel effortless. Having experienced it on both cheap and expensive production bikes, I tend to think of it merely as the confluence of bike characteristics along with rider fitness and emotional state. A good tail wind doesn't hurt either. I tend to think that almost any good bike, adjusted well, with a rider attuned to the nuances of its performance traits, can produce this sense of effortlessness.
Whatever the case may be, on my most recent rides, I have achieved this hallowed state on the Vélo Routier on several occasions. It has tended to come at times when I am relaxed and kind of zoning out, my mind wandering and my body not straining. Several times I've looked down at the computer and been really surprised at how fast I am going without undue exertion. I'm not a mechanical engineer, and my experiences are not being conducted under stringent laboratory conditions. It could be that I am experiencing tail winds occasionally or that the heavier bike maintains forward momentum longer or more smoothly than a lighter bike. It could be that I'm surprised that wide, supple tires aren't slowing me down as much as I think they should. Or I could just be fooling myself because I want to fall in love with my shiny new bike.
Whatever the reason, if asked, does the Vélo Routier plane? I would have to answer, in as much as I an not convinced of the concept and according to my experience, yes it does. At least for me.
I'll provide further updates as the miles pile on.
Dreadful sorry to hear about your accident brother. I wish you a speedy recovery.
ReplyDeleteAbout that headset, I finally threw in the towel on mine and replaced it with a new Tange that I had. I'll be the first to admit that I have zero experience with roller headsets but I just couldn't get it to shut up. No matter if I adjusted tight or loose the top race croaked like a pond full of bullfrogs. I was paranoid that I might have mis-assembled it or left out a race or something but a tear down and inspection showed everything to be in order. I may eventually order VO's rinko headset as I'm toying around with going that way.
Thanks very much Phillip. I am well on the mend and just about back to form.
DeleteYeah, I've been thinking about Rinko myself. Damn you Jan Heine!!!
I'm still fiddling with the roller bearing headset. I'm coming to think it's unnecessary. I'll probably give it another couple of weeks before I bail and order a new one. I'll no doubt post an update in the nearish future.
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Thank you for this detailed journal of your Velo Routier build! I am strongly considering buying the same DIY kit, as it seems like a really great deal, even with the expectation of replacing the handlebars, brake levers, tires, etc. This blog has been really helpful during this research phase.
ReplyDeleteCan I ask a few questions?
Did you have to do anything unusual to get the fenders to work well with the horizontal dropout? Is it hard to get the rear wheel out?
What ended up happening with the misaligned hole in the fender? Did you have to patch it over with something?
Do you think the fenders included in the kit would work with 42mm tires like the Compass Babyshoe Pass, or would larger fenders be advisable in that case?
Did the Velo Orange rack with the integrated decaleur install easily, or did you have to modify it to clear the brake cables? This rack seems like a great "one stop" solution to the whole rack and decaleur business.
Did you eventually get the derailleurs adjusted to work well with the full range of gears? Is the 10 speed setup smooth or does it go out of alignment easily? The 11-36 cassette technically exceeds the capacity of the rear derailleur; does it blow up if you cross-chain and use the big cogs with the big chainring or does it work acceptably?
Thanks again!!
Really sorry for the late reply, Jesse. Here, to the best of my ability, are the answers to your questions.
DeleteThe fenders went on the bike with only one modification - I had to drill a hole in the rear fender aligned with the brake bridge. Not a big deal - did it with a Sharpie and a hand drill. I covered the mis-aligned hole with clear packing tape and I'm sure I'm the only one who notices it. Annoying, but not a biggie. I think the fenders would probably fit the Babyshoe Pass, but it would be tight. I'd likely want to swap out for the Velo Orange 50mm Snakeskin fenders. It might take some creative cutting/bending, but I suspect they might give you better clearance and better coverage to keep your feet dry. BUT, the 38mm Pari-moto tires under the DIY fenders work fine with the horizontal drop-out; I think the Babyshoes might be tight, and you'd probably cuss a storm every time you have to change a tire.
I completely love the VO integrated rack. I was a bit worried that the upper and lower parts wouldn't fit tightly enough to hold the bag, but it works like a dream. And installation was a snap. Of note, it was easy to drill a hole in the front DIY fender and bolt it to the rack. No spacers needed other than a leather washer. Two thumbs up!
I did eventually get both derailleurs working though the front still rubs against the crank arm if I'm not kind of delicate shifting up to the large ring. Overall I really like the drive train - the rear is virtually flawless (after wrestling it into submission) and because the front derailleur has such a narrow Q Factor, I haven't had any problems with cross-chaining. In fact, because of the somewhat modest 46 tooth chainring and the wide 36 tooth cassette, I use the small chainring like a granny gear; only on the steepest climbs or late in a long ride. So I'm kind of cross-chaining a lot with the big crank and the 34/36 tooth in the back. No problems I've noticed.
Hope you find that useful and good luck with your decision. The VR DIY is a great value on a really good bike. Going that route had its frustrations, but I learned a lot in the process and have come out the other end with a bike that I am really happy with.
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Thanks for the reply! I actually did end up ordering a Velo Routier kit, and it just arrived yesterday! I haven't done anything with it yet other than take inventory of the packages but I am looking forward to building it up soon. Hope I can do so quickly enough to get some rides in before winter.
DeleteI may have to shoot Angus another email - they didn't include the barrel adjusters for the brake levers in my package either. I don't intend to use these handlebars and brake levers on the VR; I plan to move over my Compass Randonneur bars from my current bike. But I was planning on using this spare "cockpit" on my current bike which I hope to convert to fixed gear. So I'd like at least one working brake lever, anyway.
On the other hand, they did send me a cup holder! :-D Maybe it's a leftover from their "Citie" build. I guess I'll try it out on my commuter bike.
I didn't notice anything else missing, although I suppose once I start putting it together I might find beside lacking some bits and bobs.
That's good to know that crosschaining isn't much of an issue. I currently have a 40/34 in the front (definitely not optimal, but the cheapest and quickest way to lower the gearing of the stock 52/40!) and 7 cogs in the back. So I also tend to stay in the big ring all the time except for steep hills, and it's good to know I won't have to worry about unlearning those habits with the new bike.
Congratulations Jesse. Good luck with the build!
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